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SKATEBOARDING => DIY => Topic started by: lifer on October 08, 2009, 11:51:14 PM



Title: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: lifer on October 08, 2009, 11:51:14 PM


The Wood is commonly known as sugar maple (hard rock maple is a skate term started in the late 70s or early 80s). It is rotary cut into veneer with a thickness of 1/16 inch. Presently I do believe This wood is more than a dollar a square foot (unless your willing to buy it by the truck load). there is approx 18 square feet in each board.

Glue I use - P.V.A (white carpenters glue) with a catalyst mixed in (Aluminum Cloride) which is corrosive and is only available through industrial suppliers. This catalyst causes the glue to "cross bond" creating a superior bond. Apply the glue with a hard rubber roller, this is the easiest way to get a consistent application of glue by hand. DO NOT glue both sides of the plys or put on too much glue!!! This extra glue becomes kind of like an extra layer which causes a board to soften up in the sun. Any left over catalyst needs to be disposed of properly as it is a hazzardous material. This particular catalyst does increase dry time a bit but can be compensated for by heating your mold since it still behaves as a normal P.V.A. glue. Normal P.V.A. will work fine too, just go fast when your doing your gluing!

Mold - I used car bondo for my mold because it was the cheapest material I could pour and sand and could stand up to repetative heating and presure. I Press them one at a time with two 2 tone bottle jacks placed over where the trucks will be. I max them out in a metal frame with the mold on the bottom. And PLEASE don't use a vacuume press - THEY DON"T WORK!

shape / cutting - Tones of ways to cut out a deck. One easy thing I did was press thicker decks out of 1/8 inch hard board and cut templates out of them that included the wheel base. Then after drilling the wheel base in the blank I connected them with long bolts through both wheel bases sandwiching them together with the thick template on top. This way I could use these templates to cut out each deck one at a time on a router table with a flush trim bit.

So yeah this way your boards will be consistent! Remember - Wheel base placement is the most important thing.

On a final note Commodity prices are through the roof! It is impossible to make a board for under $30.00 (CAN) when working small scale. I personally wouldn't touch this industry unless I had about $500,000.00 to sink into promotion insurance and materials. Also I'd need to find alot of quality wood workers to run it! The Pros will leave you in the dust and your boards will never be seen as a comperable product at a retail level regardless of how good they really are. The bro-down support is gone in the skate world! Most Shops make very little profit in this economic climate - They want sure fire sellers these days and little Johnny wants a Chris Cole not a garage construction special.

So who the hell am I? Just a dude that truly loves skatin, thats why I press boards - not for money. I think this video shows that. I've been on a board for 25 years and pressed my own for 9. Worked in another skate manufacturing shop and a few retail skateshops. My boards have won local wood show competitions and that says something cuz I'm from a mill town and wood workin is a religion here.

Still wanna do it? Find a sales rep already workin in the industry - but good luck convincing them to rep your product. However this would be the best way to find any real and consistent sales.

Me personally I'm gonna make coffins. Thats a growth industry!

Any other Questions? I'd be glad to answer.

Les.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8v0qOCJIAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8v0qOCJIAY)


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: corymartinez on October 09, 2009, 05:15:02 AM
 :o


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: bailgun on October 09, 2009, 12:33:29 PM
fuck yes. finally some good shit.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: skatenerd on October 09, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
So sick
Can you post some photos of boards you've created?


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: Johnny Copp on October 10, 2009, 09:28:02 AM
I was curious why we don't see you're press and molds you described?    I mean it sounds nice and all but you can buy an uncut deck anywhere and cut it out with a jig saw.

I'm only being devil's advocate because there's a lot of fake shit on youtube.   


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: lifer on October 11, 2009, 12:57:54 AM
This is my first press. Her name is India. She has pressed about 500 boards over the last 8 years.
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0206.jpg)(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0209.jpg)
This is one of my templates.
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0199.jpg)
Here's some decks.
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0087s.jpg)
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0216.jpg)
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0218.jpg)
And here's next years boards
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/100_0211.jpg)
I'm not pressing until spring, I'll make a video then.
Peace.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: C H U C K on October 11, 2009, 01:26:17 AM
That's pretty sweet.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: bucky fellini on October 11, 2009, 07:46:38 AM
pretty rad, for sure.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: Johnny Copp on October 11, 2009, 11:39:31 AM
My apologies for any doubts.   Those boards look sick!


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: lifer on October 11, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
My apologies for any doubts.   Those boards look sick!


No Worries man, after I read your post I figured you were right. There is alot of B.S. on youtube.

(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/lesterporter/partytime.jpg)


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: el ogrehound 3000 on October 11, 2009, 01:18:19 PM


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: krusher on November 12, 2009, 01:14:49 AM
I have so many questions.

Is your mold made entirely out of bondo? in your vid it looks like it has a foam core. Did you wax your favorite board and pressed it into the bondo to make your mold? have you ever used epoxy as a gluing agent for your boards? Are your veneer strips 36" long? I have have more but I hate to type.

Looks like by summer I'll stop having to spend $50 just to get my favorite shaped board (Drehobl)


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: lifer on November 15, 2009, 02:57:05 AM
I have so many questions.

Is your mold made entirely out of bondo? in your vid it looks like it has a foam core. Did you wax your favorite board and pressed it into the bondo to make your mold? have you ever used epoxy as a gluing agent for your boards? Are your veneer strips 36" long? I have have more but I hate to type.

Looks like by summer I'll stop having to spend $50 just to get my favorite shaped board (Drehobl)
Hey dude, My mold has a wood core. I made it by hand; I didn't use a blank board for the concave, just lots of sanding. it took awhile.

I get my wood cut 10 x 34. And no I have never used epoxy so I have no input there....


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: skatenerd on November 16, 2009, 02:10:56 PM
Am I the only person who thinks stuff like this should actually be in the magazine?

In case everything goes to fuck, then we'll know what to do.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: C H U C K on November 16, 2009, 02:15:01 PM
Am I the only person who thinks stuff like this should actually be in the magazine?

It's pretty cool, but I'm not so sure the advertisers would be too stoked.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: bailgun on November 16, 2009, 02:26:47 PM
Am I the only person who thinks stuff like this should actually be in the magazine?
do you really think ad sales would remain unchanged if that happened?


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: susej on November 17, 2009, 11:26:18 PM
 ???

Apparantly you didn't understand the past couple messages.  It has nothing to do with whether or not it is of any concern to bailgun.  Mags get money by running ads.  The companies wouldn't be happy if the magazine explains how to not use their products. 


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: skatenerd on November 18, 2009, 02:53:49 PM
(http://www.stair-rods.com/_familyCustom/0/areas/728640433/content/html/blacksmith2.jpg)
Good luck on those Trucks


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: old rivers on November 18, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
([url]http://www.stair-rods.com/_familyCustom/0/areas/728640433/content/html/blacksmith2.jpg[/url])
Good luck on those Trucks


My pet dwarf forges all my trucks for me.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: asdf072 on November 18, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
([url]http://www.stair-rods.com/_familyCustom/0/areas/728640433/content/html/blacksmith2.jpg[/url])
Good luck on those Trucks


ROFL!!


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: krusher on November 18, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
I just stared making cast molds for my on trucks, I know how to cast urethane too. The day will come where the board I ride will be built entirely by me... except the hardware and bearings. It's just a matter of doing it, the technology is ancient, any 12 year old could do this.


Title: Re: Forbidden Knowledge....err....Sorry Industry.
Post by: lifer on December 02, 2009, 03:35:46 PM
Wow, my little thread is actually doing alright in here. Some healthy debate and some pretty funny shit too (that whole dwarfs making trucks thing).......yo skatenerd I laughed my ass off! Thanks guys.