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Title: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Stabby_McShiv on October 19, 2011, 05:04:42 PM
I have been threatening to give Theeve Trucks a go for a while and I finally got a set so I figured I would share my thoughts in case anybody is interested or on the bubble to try ‘em.  I got the full titanium TiH 5.5 model and I have had them for about a week so this isn’t an extensive durability test but if they shit the bed at some point I’ll definitely share that fact. I have a pair of Indy Stage 10 139s and 149s (w/ Bones Mediums) that I have been trading back and forth for a while so that’s my frame of reference.

Here goes:

1.  The axle size is just right for me at 8.18”.  They are a little wider than my preferred 139s and I like switch it up between 8 and 8.25 with an 8.5 every now and again to maintain street cred with my age group.  I am on an 8.2 right now and all is well.
2.  They are fucking light.  I ride never ride high tech, super light boards. Generally just regular 7 ply boards from Deluxe, Creature or my local shop (I think it’s the same wood Black Box uses) but my setup feels stupid light when I pick up my board now.  I could care less about a weight but it’s kind of nice how light my setup is without sacrificing strength.  Tried and true board and I have faith in the strength of Titanium. 
3.  Compared to my Indy’s they actually noticeably dampen vibration.  This isn’t a big deal but it’s kind of nice.  One of my favorite street spots is semi-rough black top and my board vibrates a lot less now.  I assume this is the difference between an aluminum and titanium hanger.  Aluminum typically vibrates like a fat girl on crack relative to steel or titanium. 
4.  They feel really good loose, I didn’t crank them down at all until I hit up a park and had a couple of less than graceful wheel bite incidents.  They are still fairly loose but I have 190 pounds of flailing, skateboarding man meat doing everything it can to dig my board into my wheels to manage.
5.  Super smooth turning.  Blame it on the stock Bones bushings but I felt great on them right away without any break in.  I feel the same about Indy’s after swapping out the shit stock bushings but the Theeves are on par, if not better.
6.  They grind great.  I have had them on pool coping, steel park coping and decent angle iron so far.  Jury is out on how they handle concrete noping, I haven’t hit any yet.  I have heard complaints that they stick but that’s horseshit, they felt better than my broken in Indy’s.
7.  Anti-mall grab design.  The excess material removal allowed by the lack of a through-axle leads to a shape that actually sharpens the area of the trucks critical to performing a mall grab and makes it fairly uncomfortable to execute. Note:  I don’t know this from first-hand experience, I asked a kooky d-bag frat boy mark long boarder on rollerblades who was listening to Dashboard Confessional to perform the maneuver and share his feedback with me.
8.  The threads stick out a little further past the wheel then I remember on my Indy’s so I am curious to see how they take the abuse of poorly executed tricks sending the board tumbling.
9.  Expensive.  I could have bought 2.6 sets of Indy’s for the price.  If you have the money then they are definitely worth the premium in my opinion but there isn’t anything you can do on them that you couldn’t do on a $50 set of trucks.  I used to not stress about throwing my board in the bed of my truck until I get home figuring if some fuck face stole it when I parked somewhere then he was more desperate than I.  With the bump in value now I am more paranoid and start worrying if that shit is not locked in the cab.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: m477 on October 23, 2011, 11:34:34 AM
Baller with the TiH!  The TIAX alone is significantly lighter than my old Indys.... the TiH must be insane light.  I'll pull the trigger on them eventually....


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: metzgnar on October 24, 2011, 05:02:48 PM
Let me know how they grind on pool coping. I've been wanting to invest in some TiH, but I feel like they'll wear down whatever you're grinding instead of the truck since it's a harder metal. I'd much rather replace my trucks than my skatepark.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: bailgun on October 25, 2011, 12:13:32 PM
^this.

fuck titanium trucks.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Stabby_McShiv on October 25, 2011, 01:48:52 PM
I think they feel the same on pool coping as my Indys and are showing the expected wear so I assume that the material is grinding off the trucks and not the coping.  Any pool coping that I get to hit is at public skate parks which I believe use coping that is purpose made with a higher density (than what you’d find on a swimming pool) to ensure that it handles the stress of being skated so I am not sure if that matters.   

Given that I am hitting public parks the pool coping is generally already pretty gnarled up and I don’t think it stems from the use of titanium trucks.  Usually a little gnarled is ok, the sections with there are missing chunks between the edges of blocks can be harsh but I can’t see that being caused by grinding from trucks.  I don’t really get where the paranoia about Ti trucks fucking up pool coping comes from.  I think the issue is more of a mechanical thing and not necessarily a material type thing. Bike pegs are usually aluminum or chromoly and they clearly fuck shit up fast.  I also assume that if there was enough friction to damage the concrete than it would also be enough to make the grind stick which I haven’t noticed.  If I had reason to believe that I was destroying coping than I definitely would not be skating the Theeves.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: susej on October 26, 2011, 06:28:55 AM
Coping definitely loses chunks from grinding, though I don't believe it would be any more so from Ti than from Indys. There's a ramp I go to occasionally with pool coping that is now fucked up, and this is before Ti trucks were released, and there has never been a BMX on that ramp. I've seen chunks of concrete fly off that coping. The coping at Chill Park is definitely worn down from grinding, and you can see bits of it flying every now and then. I went to a contest at a new pool last summer with pristine coping that got gnarled up over the course of that day.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: m477 on November 05, 2011, 06:24:23 PM
Concrete/pool coping chunks due to lack of wax/lubrication and/or poor technique.... any n00b can destroy a nice ledge learning how to 50-50.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Skeletor94 on November 06, 2011, 09:25:16 PM
Use clear coat instead of wax on the coping, heard that helps. I usually just bondo the coping at my local park when it gets worn down. Never ridden theeves, I'm sticking to Indys though just because they are guaranteed for life, they usually last me a year, and I kinda like it when they shake like a fat girl on crack.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: susej on November 07, 2011, 01:22:37 AM
"pool coping chunks due to lack of wax"? Wax is not allowed on pool coping.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: krusher on November 08, 2011, 08:22:39 PM
I have always thought that harder metal would cause less friction then softer, meaning coping would last longer. I have not yet tested this hypotenuse.

I use clear coat to help protect coping. Yes, it does make it easier to slide/grind but it also allows your coping to last longer. It is a lesser evil, unless you have the money and the man hours to change out your coping every ten years.

That being said there is no better feeling then getting a grind on a ledge or coping that has not yet been waxed or sprayed. It is also one of the hardest things to do - being the first to hit a spot...


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: m477 on November 18, 2011, 01:00:09 PM
"pool coping chunks due to lack of wax"? Wax is not allowed on pool coping.


Yes, I was referring wax to concrete and lube to pool coping(Definitely don't want waxed pool tranny).  Clear coat, not lube was what I meant, like Skelator mentioned. 

Beer City - Duane Peters at Kelly Belmar's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY9pxQhdMF4#)


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: susej on November 18, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
I'm glad we cleared that up. I thought you were saying if pool coping chunks you just need more wax. I was disappoint, but no more.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Stabby_McShiv on November 22, 2011, 08:11:21 PM
A Duane Peters clip was used to make a point in a post that I started.  Mother-of-pearl, I can now die a happy man.

You fuckers made me self conscious about hitting pool coping.  I am just going to throw out that my opinion doesn't matter much regarding the pool coping debate.  I don't grind a whole lot of it.  Round here 90% of the tranny has metal coping or waxed/coated noping.  Pool coping is generally reserved for huge bowls and really tight replica pools.  The best I can do with those is stalls, short lived 5050s, boardslides or old man/slash grinds which are fairly low impact so I gotta say that I am not an authority on how the Theeves feel on
raw pool coping that is being grinded like it's in a Penn State locker room shower.

That said they are holding up really well.  About a month into it and the hanger is scratched to hell but still the factory round shape.  I have a feeling that these are going to last a while...

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8089/theeves.jpg)


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: krusher on November 22, 2011, 10:51:42 PM
^It looks like the hanger is gonna protect the kingpin and nut from being ground down.

Unlike my Ace's. I've had them for almost a year and would have gotten a new pair by now if they were easy to get...

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/6fad5298130211e180c9123138016265_7.jpg)

I really do think that titanium trucks will help rid skate spots of wax. I just can't spend the money right now


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Teds Wild on November 23, 2011, 08:59:58 PM
Holy Shit Stabby,

what type of theeves are those? I'm considering getting a set when I can skate again, this debate is really shaking my independent commitment to the axle.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: bailgun on December 15, 2011, 11:21:52 AM
stabby.... your trucks are too tight.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Stabby_McShiv on December 15, 2011, 12:35:14 PM
stabby.... your trucks are too tight.


Agreed.  My opinion is that either your style can be sloppy or your trucks can be sloppy but the two are mutually exclusive.  Unfortunately, in my case, the slop gets used up by my lack of skill and subsequent style. 

I am a relatively big dude and I took a fresh start start with these trucks and initially had the nut barely "loosened" onto the bolt.  This worked great until I hit some bigger tranny and got tossed in a few rather embarrassing wheel bite incidents.  I have gradually un-loosened them to the point that they still carve well enough for me but the wheel bite is minimal.  I haven't tried any of the greasing the board tricks or adopting a smoother style. 

I have a kick turn that's to be feared.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: bailgun on December 15, 2011, 12:56:03 PM
rub some wax on your wheelbite areas. then instead of your wheel stopping in wheelbite, it just gets slowed down a bit.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Stabby_McShiv on December 15, 2011, 01:24:59 PM
Thanks I'll give it a shot.  I am amazed that I have never thought to do that. Ok, maybe more embarrassed and less amazed.

Hopefully it works because I was actually kind of bummed that I had to keep un-loosening the nut.  They felt so good really loose but the board stopping wheel bite sucked.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: dtotherob on December 15, 2011, 03:28:50 PM
+1 for the wax comment.  i've been riding 57-58mm wheels for years and with loose trucks, it's a must.  mine are loose to where they shake and rattle. the kingpin is even a bit wobbly.  if you are worries about losing your nuts, try threading the nylon part first.  then they shouldn't loosen off.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: bailgun on December 15, 2011, 07:20:12 PM
and ditch the cupwasher on your baseplate, too.


Title: Re: Theeves - Truckin' eh man. Truckin'. Eh.
Post by: Stabby_McShiv on December 15, 2011, 08:51:40 PM
I am not running a cup washer against the baseplate, I just have the one on the top bushing.  If you are suggesting removing that one as well so that I don't have any washers then that would be a new one for me.

With Indys I always removed the bottom washer when I swapped in Bones bushings but the Theeves come stock with Bones and they don't even bother with a washer on the bottom bushing.  That's how I have always rolled.